While alot of logs degenerate into arguments, it usually stems from an oppressively powerful class. Fury zerks, bards, now ninjas. As more people play them their imbalances become more, and more, apparent. In these logs you identified your mistakes, but one thing I will advise you use is the custom affects list. It makes tracking your buffs infinitely easier. Beyond that maybe go get a pit staff (you can easily get one solo as a dbl sheath)
Is a staff viable vs a ranger? Seems like I wouldn't hit anything...Maybe should try it tho.
I don't understand custom aff list. I'll have to look into how it works exactly. Thanks for the tip.
-Hwaarhuh
Aff 1 arm armor will set your first affect in a horizontal list as armor but most importantly it will show all affects and their duration, even if the effect has dropped so you can quickly see what you need to reset or what is about to drop.
Color triggers help. trigger: armor ex: #cw silver
You probably already know this, but have you tried to fight on water rooms where he can't dirt you but you can blind him and all his pets with dust?
His blindness being random, can't be invoked at will.
I actually tried that and was how he got me once. He has more ways to blind than I (one of which is very reliable) and once things don't go your way it'll be difficult to escape since you can't hide on the terrain and he's shooting arrows at you. Though the risk may pay off if he isn't able to blind you.
Also wouldn't count on him blinding him easily while he's awake. While he's strangled I'd usually fail on average 12 blind attempts or until he wakes up. As Hwaarhuh said, he's wearing tons of saves gear over hit/dam. Here's a snippet.
You grab a hold of Ahxnar's neck and put him to sleep.
Ahxnar goes to sleep.
(842/1084hp 594/707m 410/461mv)
Haon Dor is [NEXUS] controlled. Players near you:
Mordred (WANTED) A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
Ahxnar (WANTED) A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
A Nexus Gateway crackles with hellish heat and unholy magics.
A colossal tree blocks the way westwards.
(Charmed) (White Aura) A large, shaggy mammoth is here.
(Charmed) A large spotted leopard sits here.
(WANTED) (White Aura) Ahxnar is sleeping here.
Ahxnar is using:
(Magical) (Glowing) an intruder's lantern
(Glowing) (Humming) a heavy-black dragonscale ring
(Glowing) (Humming) a Band of Order
an amulet of Lloth
an iconic amulet
(Glowing) a double plated helm
cursed bone earrings
(Magical) (Humming) a steel plated torso
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) the wings of a dragon
(Glowing) (Humming) a pair of spiked light-steel gauntlets
(Humming) a set of powerful Ogre leggings
wrapped sandals
the silent cloak
(Magical) a long coral belt adorned with an emblem of Gear
a green scale bracer
a green scale bracer
(Magical) (Glowing) (Humming) 'Durindel' the Sword of Flame adorned with a starshard
(Glowing) (Humming) a deadly whip of bluish fire
bandages
(Humming) a consecrated bow
(94) flaming arrows
(Glowing) a winged lightning dragon
(842/1084hp 594/707m 404/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
A large mammoth yells 'Help! I'm being attacked by Mordred!'
A large mammoth appears to be blinded.
You draw your weapon.
You wield Mordred's Dominferis adorned with a jade figurine.
You parry a large mammoth's attack.
A large spotted leopard yells 'Help! I'm being attacked by someone!'
A large spotted leopard is already blinded.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large spotted leopard gets a wild look in its eyes.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
You fire from the Bone Bow of Anduin and hit a large mammoth with a couple shots.
The Bone Bow of Anduin's acidic bite LACERATES a large mammoth!
Your life drain devastates a large mammoth!
Your life drain MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your life drain MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your life drain MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your tsuki strike MUTILATES a large mammoth!
You parry a large mammoth's attack.
You dodge a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You dodge a large spotted leopard's attack.
You dodge a large spotted leopard's attack.
Luckily your feet aren't on the ground.
A large mammoth has quite a few wounds.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(842/1084hp 579/707m 404/461mv) blindness dust
Your life drain MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your life drain misses a large mammoth.
Your life drain MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your life drain maims a large mammoth!
Your life drain misses a large mammoth.
Your tsuki strike DISMEMBERS a large mammoth!
A large mammoth's flesh is seared by the flaming Mordred's Dominferis adorned with a jade figurine.
Your flaming bite scratches a large mammoth.
You dodge a large mammoth's attack.
You dodge a large mammoth's attack.
Luckily your feet aren't on the ground.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You dodge a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You dodge a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large mammoth has quite a few wounds.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(842/1084hp 579/707m 404/461mv)
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
A large mammoth is already blinded.
A large spotted leopard is already blinded.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
A large mammoth has quite a few wounds.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(842/1084hp 564/707m 404/461mv)
You fire from the Bone Bow of Anduin and hit a large mammoth with a couple shots.
The Bone Bow of Anduin's acidic bite MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your life drain maims a large mammoth!
Your life drain decimates a large mammoth!
Your life drain decimates a large mammoth!
Your life drain devastates a large mammoth!
Your life drain MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your tsuki strike MUTILATES a large mammoth!
You parry a large mammoth's attack.
You parry a large mammoth's attack.
You dodge a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large mammoth looks pretty hurt.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(842/1084hp 564/707m 404/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
A large mammoth is already blinded.
A large spotted leopard is already blinded.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
A large mammoth looks pretty hurt.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(842/1084hp 549/707m 404/461mv)
Your life drain MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your life drain MUTILATES a large mammoth!
Your life drain maims a large mammoth!
Your life drain maims a large mammoth!
Your tsuki strike DISMEMBERS a large mammoth!
You parry a large mammoth's attack.
You dodge a large mammoth's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
A large spotted leopard's claw misses you.
A large mammoth is in awful condition.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(826/1084hp 549/707m 404/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
A large mammoth is already blinded.
A large spotted leopard is already blinded.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
A large mammoth is in awful condition.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(826/1084hp 534/707m 404/461mv)
You fire from the Bone Bow of Anduin and hit a large mammoth with a couple shots.
The Bone Bow of Anduin's acidic bite LACERATES a large mammoth!
A large mammoth is DEAD!!
You receive 470 experience points.
A large mammoth's fingers are severed from its hand.
You get 148 gold coins from the corpse of a large mammoth.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You dodge a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large spotted leopard is in excellent condition.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(826/1084hp 534/707m 404/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
A large spotted leopard is already blinded.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
A large spotted leopard is in excellent condition.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(826/1084hp 519/707m 404/461mv)
Your missile shield collapses.
A large spotted leopard can see once again.
A large spotted leopard is in excellent condition.
Mordred: [===|===|===|=--]
(835/1084hp 532/707m 454/461mv)
You fire from the Bone Bow of Anduin and hit a large spotted leopard with a couple shots.
The Bone Bow of Anduin's acidic bite MANGLES a large spotted leopard!
Your life drain MASSACRES a large spotted leopard!
Your life drain DISMEMBERS a large spotted leopard!
Your life drain MASSACRES a large spotted leopard!
Your life drain DISMEMBERS a large spotted leopard!
Your tsuki strike MANGLES a large spotted leopard!
A large spotted leopard's flesh is seared by the flaming Mordred's Dominferis adorned with a jade figurine.
Your flaming bite wounds a large spotted leopard.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
You parry a large spotted leopard's attack.
A large spotted leopard's claw injures you.
A large spotted leopard has some big nasty wounds and scratches.
Mordred: [===|===|===|---]
(820/1084hp 532/707m 454/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
A large spotted leopard appears to be blinded.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
A large spotted leopard has some big nasty wounds and scratches.
Mordred: [===|===|===|---]
(820/1084hp 517/707m 454/461mv)
Your life drain DISMEMBERS a large spotted leopard!
Your life drain MASSACRES a large spotted leopard!
Your life drain MANGLES a large spotted leopard!
Your life drain MANGLES a large spotted leopard!
Your tsuki strike MANGLES a large spotted leopard!
A large spotted leopard is DEAD!!
You receive 485 experience points.
A large spotted leopard's heart is torn from its chest.
You get 116 gold coins from the corpse of a large spotted leopard.
(820/1084hp 517/707m 454/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
(820/1084hp 502/707m 454/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
(820/1084hp 487/707m 454/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
(820/1084hp 472/707m 454/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
(820/1084hp 457/707m 454/461mv) blindness dust
You fill the room with a cloud of dust.
You fail to blind Ahxnar.
You attempt to hide.
The white aura around your body fades.
Let it be known that Ahxnar has been granted the title of Master Questor of Aabahran!
(839/1084hp 453/707m 461/461mv) sleep
You go to sleep.
Mordred
Ahxnar has a ton of room to improve based on these logs, but dang, that is simply too much melee output by the uncaballed ninja. I don't even want to think about if it were combined with cabal skills or even with just optimized tactics.
9 hours ago, Celerity said:
Ahxnar has a ton of room to improve based on these logs, but dang, that is simply too much melee output by the uncaballed ninja. I don't even want to think about if it were combined with cabal skills or even with just optimized tactics.
I still think the issue is with Jutsu - I don't know if this was coded exactly the same as Pugil (it was described as a poor man's Pugil.) but these sorts of rounds are not rare - and this is using a two handed sword, which is also a far more defensive weapon than a warrior would need to be using to put out this sort of damage (dual axes / whips etc)
4 hours ago, English lad said:
I still think the issue is with Jutsu - I don't know if this was coded exactly the same as Pugil (it was described as a poor man's Pugil.) but these sorts of rounds are not rare - and this is using a two handed sword, which is also a far more defensive weapon than a warrior would need to be using to put out this sort of damage (dual axes / whips etc)
have you leveled with one? The damage Boost jutsu brings beats dual wielding by a pretty large margin.
27 minutes ago, Kyzarius said:
have you leveled with one? The damage Boost jutsu brings beats dual wielding by a pretty large margin.
It also takes away the need to dual wield ever. It's a damage buff and equivalent attacks, and more defense. No downside to jutsu
jutsu has been broken for a long long time, but everyone is scared to talk about stuff because of the backlash it brings. Anyone who analyzes the output from a ninja vs a dual wield 3rd attack toon or a pugil toon can see the isssue.
If I had to guess, it's how the skill processes h2h in the calculation. there's some kind of proficiency thing or something that allows them to land way too often
anyone remember when jutsu would land h2h strikes as well? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
My complaint with it is ninjas are no longer a rogue-type class with this skill being as strong as it is. You don't need to utilize the rest of your arsenal to win a fight. I rarely used my smokes/decoy as Kalurin. My strategy was exactly what won the fights above, flee/murder or push/murder. If your enemy has a vulnerability, then its over twice as fast.
Reduce the effectiveness of jutsu by a small margin and we'll see where we are, then continue to adjust until its comparable to the other rogue class, thieves.
My serious issue with ninjas still remains not only in their offense, but in their defensive capabilities. Take thieves. Catch a thief in the open and you can shatter them quickly and their recovery will take quite some time. A ninja, can recover faster than any other rogue-like class with their skills. Combine that with this strong of an offense, and you have a class that hits multiple catagories of PK efficiently.
17 hours ago, Celerity said:
Ahxnar has a ton of room to improve based on these logs....
He has a ton to improve? That's some understatement.... he fought without sanc in one of the logs.
As much as I want to make some conclusion out of these logs, I don't know:
Their gear
Ahxnar's buffs
What we do know is that:
The ninja is very well prepared, and you can tell that by his affect list. He basically has every single possible buff he can get his hands on.
The ranger playes very poorly.
That being said, everyone seems to forget that a 24 dex, two-handed weapon wielding feral is fighting a 18 dex ogre who is dual wielding (two probably low defense weapons). On top of that, the ogre is playing very very bad. And while the ninja in this log acts very modestly, he is a very good PKer, probably better than 90% of the playerbase and has played some very high profile characters with extremely good PK records in the past.
And lastly, everyone seems to be crazy about the fact that the ogre is elder syndi and the ninja is uncaballed. But what does that even change in a situation like this? Shadow arts? It's not like he has forms, call void or any other cabal skill that can *significantly *changes the direct battle prowess of a character. Syndicate offers tracking tools mostly, but hardly any skills that can swing the tide of the combat.
If you want to prove something is OP, then first of all play right. Using a log in which someone plays so badly as an argument that a class is OP is not fair. I mean, if this ogre was played by Trick, the ninja wouldn't have been able to get him to half his HP.
Besides, it's so easy to counter a DS ninja - all you have to do is dirt, as we saw in the last log.
If not dirt, then engage first and take away his murder rounds.
But that takes speed and skill.
PS. If you want a log where the opponent actually plays well, here's one.
Syndi Elder gives you the single strongest ability versus, until recently, typical rogue playstyle.
I'm confused, are you saying doublesheath ninja isn't disproportionately strong? And what does a thief combo that was dubbed broken and removed from the game have to do with this log. The majority of players all agree ninjas have too much going for them. The only ones I see who vocally oppose any possible balancing either don't play anymore, or play ninjas. I've played several ninjas. I'd love to credit my meager success to my ability but pretty sure the truth is that ninjas are a bit out of balance with their burst damage and incredible surviveable skill set.
I think if Ninjas could rely more on other abilities to win rather than pure melee this issue would go away. Problem is there other abilities are easily negated via stat & saves eq & poisoning yourself. Strats which thieves are able to get around but Ninjas can't so they have rely on direct melee. Funny thing is that the ninja has no chance as long as Ahxnar dirts and stays in sanc lol but no one really sees that. Every class should have the ability to kill another. My personal opinion of the issue with ninjas is that there focus is put into the wrong area, esp DS ninjas.
1 hour ago, 'tarako said:
...pretty sure the truth is that ninjas are a bit out of balance with their burst damage and incredible surviveable skill set.
Prove your words then?
Show a log where the opposite side playes well, at least on the level of the ninja, and gets totally destroyed (and is not a class that the ninja is strong against like clerics or rangers by the way).
Because that is what "disproportionately strong" strong means.
Once again, using a log where one side plays very badly and gets destroyed, doesn't mean that the other side is "disproportionately strong".
I've personally absolutely destroyed ninjas with my invokers, dark knights, berserkers, warriors, and some of those weren't even serious projects.
Ninjas get absolutely shut down by the usual rogue banes (if played right) i.e. crusaders, warriors, berserkers, vampires even some hybrids prove quite a challenge when in the right hands i.e. druids (sarcon) and DKNs (tassin).
Wrong log. I, unintentionally, posted a log that does not line up with what I was saying. I'll have more time tomorrow morning to edit the chasing in the ACTUAL log I meant to post. It is a mino, not an FG, though. My mistake.