It is perfectly legit to pk before 50. Unless an Imm tells you to rank up a bit because
a) your armor is way too good for your rank
you've killed A LOT
you're fine.
I recommend you rp a bit with your victims, makes it more fun. 
Also pay attention to align - pk. - If you happen to be neutral, you need a good reason for every pk and also a motive for stealing things.
This is the problem with the three week app wait on undead/demon/vamp. They are there forever, and well after they should realize they failed their app they keep trying. In my opinion, apps should be accepted or denied on the spot by the imm responsible.
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As we base our decision in great parts on rp this is not possible. We have to catch the applicant and then see them actually do some rp for us to decide unless they manage to get a reputation all by themselves already, which makes things easier and also often faster.
If the applicants and the Imms playing time hardly ever overlap and the applicant does not rp through notes/Heralds/etc. it will take a very long time for a decision to be reached. Unless an app has been denied it has not been decided on yet, so saying they do not realized they failed does not really hit it.
Attacking and stealing are acts of aggression, the same as murder (or so I was told by at least two Imms).
And all three are perfectly fine pre-50, with a few exceptions. Please review Eshaine's post (and mine).
And all three are perfectly fine pre-50' date=' with a few exceptions. Please review Eshaine's post (and mine).[/quote']
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As we base our decision in great parts on rp this is not possible. We have to catch the applicant and then see them actually do some rp for us to decide unless they manage to get a reputation all by themselves already, which makes things easier and also often faster.
If the applicants and the Imms playing time hardly ever overlap and the applicant does not rp through notes/Heralds/etc. it will take a very long time for a decision to be reached. Unless an app has been denied it has not been decided on yet, so saying they do not realized they failed does not really hit it.
I understand this. But, if you've got someone that has to sit at level 30 for two weeks are they going to healer tea party it up if they have to prove themselves fearsome, crazy killers? Most people haven't got a clue on how to do this without killing a bunch of people.
"Only the truly blackest of hearts will enter into the Demonic Kin." from Help Demon. "As for all the ignorance the wise know that the undead minions of Virigoth, chosen among mortals for their loyalty and power travel the roads at night fulfilling Its will in Aabahran." Help Undead. The only actual one that does not explain or infer the applicant has to be a seering evil bastard is Help Vampire. But, vampires are stereotypically so. So, yeah, RP will grant you anything here (It's gotten me a lot recently), but maybe these help files should lend themselves to a more expansive explanation of what you're looking for? A help file is a 3 minute fix at most.
Add it to the requirements section. "Demon applicants need not be all murderous humans. Many are of all walks of sanity and insanity, lusting for power, blood, or acceptance by their gods. A person may desire wealths of food to satiate an unworldly hunger, and joining the Tryst may be part of that quest. A human may desire the blood of many, thus lending to this path." Give them examples to follow other than "We dun killt **** in da past 'n we gunna do it 'gain!"
But, if someone sends the app and waits three weeks and doesn't get a response they've either failed it (where they fell out of the staffs radar) and don't know to resend the app (like you said here), or there is such a bad time over lap... then maybe an automatic "reup" of the application? Make it so when apps go to fail out of the system, they're resent.
And what is the whole big deal if someone is a crappy demon, vampire, or undead? Any why are the murderous quest races the only ones that are forced to stay at 30? Why aren't avatar's required to app before 30? I'd love to see avatar wannabes having to fight a swath of human dark knights in their quest for whatever. Or, just top off the cap to 50.
If someone sucks it as a Demon... well, they die a lot. If someone sucks it as a human druid... well, they die a lot. No app process for Druid, so why an app for demon? They're really not that big a deal... flying giants that talk telepathically (but can still be silenced which I never understood) and can't be cursed. We get all that from the help file. You get info on Yearning in the druid help file.
Is there a huge secret? If you liked the app, what does it hurt to accept it. If they're a ****ty Role Player later, step up and outcast them, tear the unlife outta their bodies and make them living again, borrow 999 souls back and let them keep the original. So they learned the races quips and what not? So would anyone that played them and deleted before 50 (which most do anyways, or did back when I had demons/undeads.)
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It is perfectly legit to pk before 50.
Thanks for the breath of sanity, Eshaine. People, please remember that PK starts at level 10. If it was just for 50's, PK would start at 50. Fact of the matter is, certain classes are not as equipped for PK at 50 as others.
Don't want to be killed? Hide better. Rank faster. Something. Dying is part of the experience. Sometimes you are the badass. Sometimes you're the corpse. Bitching about it on the forum doesn't change that. Nobody likes dying. Everyone likes killing. So, what that means is, some people have to die. Sometimes, maybe a lot of times, that person will be you.
Let's focus less on stats. Focus more on PTFG. (Read like RTFM).
Focus more on PTFG. (Read like RTFM).
Educate my newbish self on what these mean?
EDIT: I decided to add something to the discussion. I love to niche sit, and I think it's valuable to learn the aspects of pk especially if you're not comfortable with pk at 50. But I think it can be helpful or detrimental. If you niche sit with a dk or necro at level 30, (two classes who I believe are arguably advantaged at those times in their classes power levels- debatable though) then you're not getting as much experienced. My human shaman, Sornan did not meet one character that gave him even a moment of trouble at 30. Granted he was a qrace hopeful (which lends to alot of niche sitting) I think it's not a bad idea to level slowly and pk all the way, especially if you're getting a hang of a new class. I've started doing this with melees. Regrettably, I'm still terrible, but I'm going to make sure I can pk at 30, 35, 40 before I get serious at 50 again like my last utter failure of a stonie warrior at pinn.
Playing the f'in game... Who holds the king newb crown again?
Educate my newbish self on what these mean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM
It's called the INTERNET people. I highly recommend using it before posting.
Ask a question and be a newb for a minute, don't ask it and stay a newb forever. I'm fine with it.
Ope, nevermind then.
As we base our decision in great parts on rp this is not possible. We have to catch the applicant and then see them actually do some rp for us to decide unless they manage to get a reputation all by themselves already, which makes things easier and also often faster.
If the applicants and the Imms playing time hardly ever overlap and the applicant does not rp through notes/Heralds/etc. it will take a very long time for a decision to be reached. Unless an app has been denied it has not been decided on yet, so saying they do not realized they failed does not really hit it.
So...we spend hours twiddling our thumbs (as there is almost never anyone on willing to RP, unless you consider random unprovoked attacks RP...which I don't and don't personally care if you do.) because there must be a limit on the population of the IMM 'city on the hill'. So we must use things like Heralds (which also may not be around when you need them) or notes (which cannot convey time-sensitive information) to get ahead? I'm gonna have to say that if those are the options, then everyone needs to be able to note all. Considering we can no longer message every clan/cabal (that makes zero sense since you yourself said that unless we use notes or live in one of the 4ish active IMM's timezones we will not get noticed in any version of an acceptable timely manner.) without facing a IMM pounding, how do you get your message out? I would just send it to every clan/cabal but one...doesn't break your illogical rule, then send another copy to the one I left out. One of the IMMs said that they were unable to even catch Akomak violating RP standards, the one thing that actually needs defending and enforcement around here...people have the PK with absolutely no RP down pat. If the police can't watch all the streets...they train more. If the IMMs can't watch or even discipline all the players...well, I trust you can divine where I'm going. Elitist clubs are fun, till there isn't anyone to exclude.
You don't have to talk to a herald directly to get a note posted.
Send a copy of your note to Herald only. Put a short blurb before your actual note you want posted about why you want it posted and I know for a fact that Palwen will post it for you ASAP.
Beyond Herald, there's a specific class, bards, which will, with the right persuasion, do the work for you as well.
Of course, face-to-face interaction is always best, but everyone has their times they can play.
Again, this post is not about normal pk. What finally provoked this post was a character who had been at that title since december. I do not care HOW slow you rank. If you are gaining 3-4 levels in two months? You either barely play(not the case with this char) or are trying to kill **** you should never fight, and not fleeing. Fact of the matter is this character behaved intelligently, and acted as if he was a well versed thief. Niching with a class you CAN play is a hinderance, what do you prove? I could probably sit at 30 with any class and never die, and amass a huge pk record. It proves NOTHING though. Getting comfortable at 35 well, I guess I can understand the reasoning, but it IS flawed, HEAVILY flawed. There is nothing you can do to prep for fighting at pinn, except for fight at pinn. Sorry to burst anyones bubble. Bashing at level 30 ROCKS, at pinn, it is rarely a victory. And so it is with many other skills.
Again' date=' this post is not about normal pk. What finally provoked this post was a character who had been at that title since december. I do not care HOW slow you rank. If you are gaining 3-4 levels in two months? You either barely play(not the case with this char) or are trying to kill **** you should never fight, and not fleeing. Fact of the matter is this character behaved intelligently, and acted as if he was a well versed thief. Niching with a class you CAN play is a hinderance, what do you prove? I could probably sit at 30 with any class and never die, and amass a huge pk record. It proves NOTHING though. Getting comfortable at 35 well, I guess I can understand the reasoning, but it IS flawed, HEAVILY flawed. There is nothing you can do to prep for fighting at pinn, except for fight at pinn. Sorry to burst anyones bubble. Bashing at level 30 ROCKS, at pinn, it is rarely a victory. And so it is with many other skills.[/quote']
Chill dude. Everyone needs to learn at their own level. And dont give me that **** about it being unfair. If you cant defend yourself at any rank by now maybe YOU should sit at 30 and practice up a bit?
Chill dude. Everyone needs to learn at their own level. And dont give me that **** about it being unfair. If you cant defend yourself at any rank by now maybe YOU should sit at 30 and practice up a bit?
Chill dude. Everyone needs to learn at their own level. And dont give me that **** about it being unfair. If you cant defend yourself at any rank by now maybe YOU should sit at 30 and practice up a bit?
Actually I killed this guy as 3 diff chars. Each one HE initiated on. I brought this up because it frustrates me because there are inevitably people who CANNOT combat a thief at levle 33-38 that are resigned to returning to a half looted body with absolutely no explanation as to why . Go roll a trib Aulian, you have got to be better at that than making me look bad.
And when the hell did I bring up fair?
So...we spend hours twiddling our thumbs (as there is almost never anyone on willing to RP' date=' unless you consider random unprovoked attacks RP...which I don't and don't personally care if you do.) because there must be a limit on the population of the IMM 'city on the hill'. So we must use things like Heralds (which also may not be around when you need them) or notes (which cannot convey time-sensitive information) to get ahead? I'm gonna have to say that if those are the options, then everyone needs to be able to note all. Considering we can no longer message every clan/cabal (that makes zero sense since you yourself said that unless we use notes or live in one of the 4ish active IMM's timezones we will not get noticed in any version of an acceptable timely manner.) without facing a IMM pounding, how do you get your message out? I would just send it to every clan/cabal but one...doesn't break your illogical rule, then send another copy to the one I left out. One of the IMMs said that they were unable to even catch Akomak violating RP standards, the one thing that actually needs defending and enforcement around here...people have the PK with absolutely no RP down pat. If the police can't watch all the streets...they train more. If the IMMs can't watch or even discipline all the players...well, I trust you can divine where I'm going. Elitist clubs are fun, till there isn't anyone to exclude.[/quote']
I was not able to catch Akomak in the span of 3 - 4 days. Does not mean he would not have been talked to had he kept playing.
A rp note can be to Immortal only. It does not have to adress any Immortal. It can be a newspaper article about what your char did, it can be your granny's "How to bake chocolate cake", it can be about anything as long as it is part of your rp and shows us what your rp is. Martineius was a GREAT example of this. He had our attention already way before he send in this vampire app because he made a name for himself from rank 1 on.
With our current pbase approving EVERY SINGLE QRACE APP we get would not make any sense at all. We'd run out of "normal" chars.
Qraces do not get outcast. They get denied. (Two rp exceptions so far and these were both put to very few lives left to finish some rp.) Gods are not very forgiving when their CHOSEN fail them.
Note to all clans is about the same as note to all, therefore illegal. It avoids everyone getting spammed to death with notes, those who CAN write notes to all (bard/Herald) do not get this function taken from them. ANY char can earn this ability by getting elder in any cabal.
There have been terrible pkers who earned qrace spots or elder spots in cabals because their rp was very good. (winks at Dey) So it's not really about elitist, it's about you not being able to impress anyone fast enough before YOU run out of patience
Hope I adressed it all.
Twinblades...
Sornan did not meet one character that gave him even a moment of trouble at 30.
I believe i've dispelled this myth once before, and yet you persist in spreading your lies!
