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I vaguely remember Viri saying ages ago that AC does have a damage reduction factor, but he didn't mention anything to do with defences.

Pretty sure AC has nothing to do with defenses also, but going from -100 to -350 is like a 25% damage reduction, so naturally it increases your chances to survive.

AC does reduces damage. And yes with -350 you can feel the effect.

AC also has the "Armor pass Check" ala THAC0 D&D. shiver

You actually get hit, but the damage is turned to zero.

It is also quite rare for a PC Warrior to get the miss due to AC, unless we are talking about Ungodly AC, or very low Hitroll. Mobs are different.

This was all to break the misconception that DEX warriors defend better than STR warriors. What ever defences bonus DEX gives, STR give the same or better.

Also another pearl Virigoth droped.

STR has very little to do with the damage you deal.

The magnitude by which you are incorrect never fails to impress me, mya. The only part of your post that borders on correct is the first statement.

Please do not listen to mya. Ever. This is not to say that mya is never correct, but it happens so rarely, and is usually in such a tide of misinformation, that you will drown before you find that single nugget of truth.

Well, whether dex helps in actual defenses or not, it definitely helps to evade bashes and other such abilities. That's mostly why I said a dex warrior with +hit for his dex would be just straight up better than a str warrior with +dam instead. Maybe that isn't completely true, but whatever. Also..how can str not affect the damage you deal? It increases your damroll.

The magnitude by which you are incorrect never fails to impress me' date=' mya. The only part of your post that borders on correct is the first statement.[/quote']

This is exactly the mentality i hate. People who think they are the only ones that should know how game works.

If it was left to people with that kind of mentality, people would never know that, your proficiency in your opponent's weapon affects your parry ability.

I don't know about you but i prefer my opponents to provide a challenge, or i would be better killing NPC's in Diablo.

"Also..how can str not affect the damage you deal? It increases your damroll."

"STR has very little to do with the damage you deal."

You just found half of the "very little", the small Damroll bonus.

AC also has the "Armor pass Check" ala THAC0 D&D. shiver

You actually get hit, but the damage is turned to zero.

I sincerely hope these two sentences do not have anything in common.

This is exactly the mentality i hate. People who think they are the only ones that should know how game works.

If it was left to people with that kind of mentality, people would never know that, your proficiency in your opponent's weapon affects your parry ability.

I think this might have been the first pointer I ever received. It came from either Virigoth or Crypticant on the original forum. He said against mages use weapons they don't know so they can't parry as well.

When I played a halfling ranger, I definitely got hit less often with a -400 AC than with a -200 AC, and it wasn't because of misses (very rare to see). Whether the lower AC improved every defense or only some of them I don't know, but it definitely improved at least some of them.

This is exactly the mentality i hate. People who think they are the only ones that should know how game works.

If it was left to people with that kind of mentality, people would never know that, your proficiency in your opponent's weapon affects your parry ability.

I don't know about you but i prefer my opponents to provide a challenge, or i would be better killing NPC's in Diablo.

"Also..how can str not affect the damage you deal? It increases your damroll."

"STR has very little to do with the damage you deal."

You just found half of the "very little", the small Damroll bonus.

Mya. Much of your post, as so many of your posts are, was wrong. Flat out. Calron corrected you on it. It is not a question of mentality, nor is it a question of 'knowing how things work'. Your post was filled with things that are flat out misinforming the people you claim to be trying to teach.

Mentality you hate? I never made a statement in support of "information hiding", or whatever you are alluding to. What irks me is you phrasing statements as fact (with bolding, caps, and color to emphasize ), when they are blatantly wrong.

You are welcome to attempt with dubious success to interpret the years-old release code you have. However, you are not only trying to discuss it on the forums, which isn't allowed, but you are clearly not understanding it, because you repeatedly make declarations on the forums that are completely wrong (just how wrong you are would be clear if you just rolled up a character and tested it in game).

When a player comes to the forums and reads posts like yours, they are going to think the information is reliable, and it isn't. I appreciate that you are trying to help people, but when you say something wrong, others should correct you so that players trying to learn don't get bad advice.

Mya. Much of your post, as so many of your posts are, was wrong. Flat out. Calron corrected you on it. It is not a question of mentality, nor is it a question of 'knowing how things work'. Your post was filled with things that are flat out misinforming the people you claim to be trying to teach.

You are welcome to attempt with dubious success to interpret the years-old release code you have. However, you are not only trying to discuss it on the forums, which isn't allowed, but you are clearly not understanding it, because you repeatedly make declarations on the forums that are completely wrong (just how wrong you are would be clear if you just rolled up a character and tested it in game).

This is clearly a Disinformation tech.

"Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nut," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and of course, "rumor monger." You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned."

Coupled with:

"However, you are not only trying to discuss it on the forums" - Censorship

Why you think i have such a lovely title ?

Seriously, i don't get it. Do you guys feel cool on top of your ivory tower, looking down on the Clueless ?

How is telling you that you are wrong disinformation? You're -wrong-, and the people who know have told you of such and you still don't believe them? Mya, take a pill. Chill. Relax. Go to your step classes, hit the beach, enjoy the sun. Just chillax. Smile, drink a mojito, and then realize that everyone is not out to get you.

We love you, Mya. You know that.

a-g

Mya, you have the lovely title because of how often you are incorrect, not because there's an information conspiracy going on here. Now yes, there are certain aspects of the code that aren't meant to be talked about here, but clearly this topic is not one of them as no IMM has come in and said that we all need to shut up about it.

And you know, people CAN learn things in game like that using weapons your opponent doesn't know is a good idea. Learning stuff like that is the entire purpose behind the Academy. I'm sorry if you disagree that certain things should only be learned in game (a VERY small list of things compared to how much is open to be discussed), but at the moment, that's the law of the land here. In the 8 years I've been here, there have been TONS of decisions I didn't agree with that the IMMs have made. The proper way to deal with that is not to think there's a conspiracy against you... the proper way is to argue your position, either on ideas or in prayer, and accept it if it's decided that your argument isn't strong enough.

This isn't your game... it's Malch's. That's the bottom line. In the end, the calls are his to make, and we've got three options: live with it, try to change his mind, or leave. If changing his mind fails, you either live with it, or leave. I prefer the former, and I sincerely hope you do too.

This is clearly a Disinformation tech.

"Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nut," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and of course, "rumor monger." You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned."

Coupled with:

"However, you are not only trying to discuss it on the forums" - Censorship

Why you think i have such a lovely title ?

Seriously, i don't get it. Do you guys feel cool on top of your ivory tower, looking down on the Clueless ?

This is not a disinformation campaign. We do not need to run a disinformation campaign, because this is not a democracy, although we do value player input. If you posted things we did not want posted, we would just delete them. If you continued to do so, we would just ban you.

Mya. I am telling you right now. As a (former) member of the staff. As the person who has been PAYING to keep this MUD up and running for the past year. You. Are. WRONG. Often. Repeatedly. And in this case as well. To argue otherwise and claim that this is a 'misinformation campaign' is to call me a liar, because I am telling you that flat out, you are wrong.

[Deleted for being 100% wrong and misleading. -Z]

Just saying i am a Tower does not makes me a Tower.

Saying i am wrong is so easy, because i cannot even prove otherwise.

So pick one of my statements Raargant, i will discuss it's base with you over PM's.

If i cannot prove it is correct, i will shut up about game mechanics for 1 year.

If i prove correct, you state that i was correct on the point we discussed, and that DEX warriors do not defend better than STR warriors.

Sounds Fair ?

Stop beating the dead horse.

Mya - you could always roll up two different warriors (high and low dex), eq them for ac and go and fight the same person, log your fights and then post the logs. No need for a commentary - just let people draw their own conclusions.

If you're right the point will be made. If you're incorrect the data will show you.

How do you think some of us got the info we have about weapons, defenses and such? It wasn't because we have access to outdated code or an IMM told us. Mostly, it was testing in real PK situations that, as often as not, cost us our characters lives. Then you wonder why we're a bit funny about just handing over the info to everyone else?

L-A

This thread has more than run its course.