I did' date=' a few years back. It like the contemporaneous Shaulin monks in china, and all Shaulin Kung Fu schools. Hoax's to drain the mighty buck of the gullible.[/quote']
'K. I wasn't really going to add anything here, but mya, google human weapon, which is a show where two professional fighters learn and try different martial arts, and shaolin monk. Shaolin monks are pretty turniping awesome. These two guys were only shown ONE move, and it was ridiculously powerful.
'As to ninjas. no one can really say because none of us were there and the histories weren't kept that well for people like that. Ninjas, or assassins of the time, thrive of secrecy and fear, the less people know about them or hear about them, the scarier they are and easier it makes their jobs.
Ninja Titles...again!
It would have to be followed by a change in the final title for thieves.
I have no problem with converting it all to English...that's why I provided the English translations.
I also think it is fine to keep English skill names. But, we should change the the existing ones to English if we decide on that: blm skills, ikuzachi, chii, and so on.
Also, on cultural grounds, we should change the cleric titles AWAY from Catholic titles. We should also rename Crusaders, because having Crusaders as a good-only qclass does two things: it names the Crusaders are good people (thus tying RL religion into this game---whether or not the Crusades were "good" is questionable at best) and incorporates RL culture (just like the arguments against the ninja/japanese theme). They should be renamed to Zealots or Fanatics or something.
Also, why are we using Latin for Savants? That is similar to using Japanese for ninja...
Same with Praetorian (roman-theme anyone?--who says the Romans (esp. the praetors) were 'good'?) for Knight.
Also, I don't know about ninjas, but I am pretty sure 'assassins' are originally from the middle east. And no, this is not because I played that video game. I was given a handful of books by a young woman who avidly researched the origin of the word 'assassin' and the people who once donned the title. I might be remembering things incorrectly, I should go look for those books. Anyway, 'assassins' weren't originally called assassins, it was some other word that I can't remember that was very close to assassin. Their focus was hardly on combat so much as it was overcoming the enemy and finding their weakness in any and every way - politically, mentally, emotionally, and yes, physically.
Yes, assassin comes from a group in the Middle East.
However, I think the reason that it is more acceptable is that the common English verb is assassinate. Also, assassins are commonly used for non-Middle Eastern political/etc killers. Ninja has no such verb nor intercultural usage. So, using that as a basis, assassin is more acceptable. Perhaps more importantly, English doesn't have a good noun for people who do things like that (that I can think of!). Killer? Murderer?
I agree that the ninja titles are a joke, but changing the name of the class and the skill names seems a bit overkill to me.
I support the name change from ninja to assassin.
Seconded.
Though I think many of the skills/spells should be renamed or even removed (That spell is incredibly useless) to make it less -ninja- like to more -assassin- like.
I would for one play them more if they were assassins. I would feel cooler.
Might be limited in use, but it's sure not useless. 
Dey
'K. I wasn't really going to add anything here, but mya, google human weapon, which is a show where two professional fighters learn and try different martial arts, and shaolin monk. Shaolin monks are pretty turniping awesome. These two guys were only shown ONE move, and it was ridiculously powerful."
I am sorry but you are one of those Gullible persons.
I recommend you to visit http://www.bullshido.net and learn to recognize exaggeration from real stuff.
I am sorry but i could only find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZWZzj8dlZo
And the Monks is using Sanda which is a kind of Mutai response to Thay Muthay.
If you wish to see some realistic skilled combatants i advise this ones:
Real combat is not stilizated, but chaotic in its nature.
Technicks appear as made by a large clumsy Panda, but they work.
Sometimes you are lucky (or opponent skinless (skilless) and the technicks look effortless), others you have to force them in.
"'K. I wasn't really going to add anything here, but mya, google human weapon, which is a show where two professional fighters learn and try different martial arts, and shaolin monk. Shaolin monks are pretty turniping awesome. These two guys were only shown ONE move, and it was ridiculously powerful."
'Tarako you need to wake. There are no "jedi" tricks. Fighting is ugly and chaotic.
Observe the fight i found of the Human Weapon episode.
It looks like modified Kickboxing (in this case Sanda).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZWZzj8dlZo
If i was ever asked, "What is the pinnacle of fighting ?"
My answer would be this:
There are better fighters out there but these are on the top next to them.
By the way if you wish a eye opener help on differentiating actual fighting styles from dancing folklore i advise you to visit:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/
Trust me, media/people have hyped fighting styles over the centuries.
Things are in reality quite different.
so...absolutely none of that made much sense. I'll give you a spelling brush up though. Muay Thai, Sando not sanda, stylized, techniques. And just what the hell does skinless mean other than not having skin? I feel like any technique I use against someone with no skin is gonna work...but I have a lot of confidence in myself.
I cant believe i had to write this twice, thinking it was eaten by autolog off and its still there.
Sorry about the Wrath of triple posts.
You correct Krins. I fixed post. 
Sorry if I came across like a turnip-hole...I had literally just burnt my hand before I sat down and replied.
Nah, you fine. I write unreadable posts. Just like you.
"Elaboration: Jiujitsu isn't ninjitsu at all...they may share some common techniques and concepts, but they are not the same thing. Claiming Jiujitsu is like ninjitsu is like saying wrestling (collegiate...not the TV stuff) is like jiujitsu. Yeah the goal of each is to take you to the ground and control you, but they are not the same at all. Further more, there are actual practictioners of ninjitsu...every so often a special about them runs on the history channel or one of those other "learn something while the TV turns your brain to mush" channels."
I said most Ninjitsu is just bad Jujitsu. Not the reverse.
There are some people, that in order to make money, teach the so called "Ninjitsu".
In fact they are ,mostly, teaching modified Jujitsu.
Also, marcials arts are not about, "not harming others".
They are about fighting. And fighting involves harming other people, in order to prevent yourself, from being harmed.
This "Karate Kid", "Martials arts are for defence" thing is a "cover" and/or Marketing scheme. That i suspect comes from the times of Kano (judo) and WW2.
This reminds me of "Capoeira", where black slaves disguised their Marcial Art practice as a dance, in order to train in secret.
Good luck on your BJJ. And keep rolling, that is what makes you better.
Mind Body and Kickass moves is also another good TV show on BBC that shows a lot more of conceptual martial arts techniques. Which is really what most martial arts boils down to. The second video you posted, Mya, looked, IMO, pathetic. It was a bunch of blatant flailing and grappling - a strict combination of 25% Gracie Jiu Jitsu and 75% random unfocused punches. There's nothing wrong with that, but it won't help anyone in a real fight. If somebody tried that on a mugger who probably has a knife, or even a gun, then they'd most likely end up dead. Some martial artists like to keep their practice dedicated to superficial strikes, but if there's no energy, no intention, or no technique behind it, then that martial artist will not be nearly as powerful as it could be.
'im pretty sure both of those are from the episode with shaolin monks. No mya I dont believe in "jedi" tricks but I have seen some amazing martial artists and its not all hollywood showbiz and stuff. I admit some it might be legend and exaggerated and such. But its either based on truth or not that far away. yes, people cant leap from roof to roof doing flying leap kicks. but they can do a jump kick that can break a human breastbone. I've been taking kenpo and that is one of the most vicious martial arts ive ever seen. The human body is extremely fragile and it doesnt take much to hurt it or just break things.
Nah, you fine. I write unreadable posts. Just like you.
"Elaboration: Jiujitsu isn't ninjitsu at all...they may share some common techniques and concepts, but they are not the same thing. Claiming Jiujitsu is like ninjitsu is like saying wrestling (collegiate...not the TV stuff) is like jiujitsu. Yeah the goal of each is to take you to the ground and control you, but they are not the same at all. Further more, there are actual practictioners of ninjitsu...every so often a special about them runs on the history channel or one of those other "learn something while the TV turns your brain to mush" channels."
I said most Ninjitsu is just bad Jujitsu. Not the reverse.
** There are some people, that in order to make money, teach the so called "Ninjitsu".**
** In fact they are ,mostly, teaching modified Jujitsu.**
Also, marcials arts are not about, "not harming others".
They are about fighting. And fighting involves harming other people, in order to prevent yourself, from being harmed.
This "Karate Kid", "Martials arts are for defence" thing is a "cover" and/or Marketing scheme. That i suspect comes from the times of Kano (judo) and WW2.
This reminds me of "Capoeira", where black slaves disguised their Marcial Art practice as a dance, in order to train in secret.
Good luck on your BJJ. And keep rolling, that is what makes you better.
As a practicioner of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, I believe I am authorized to say that the only similarities between Jiu Jitsu and Ninjitsu is "jitsu" and that they are both forms of martial arts. Jiu Jitsu is about close quarters combat, primarily grappling and submission, and was, for a long period of time deemed the most effective single fighting style. Ninjitsu DOES exist, as do ninjas. Whether they still wear all black, throwing shurikens and silently assassinating enemies is not known to me.
They do still throw shuriken of various different types and rock the flashy black uniform...according to the history channel anyway.
As a practicioner of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu' date=' I believe I am authorized to say that the only similarities between Jiu Jitsu and Ninjitsu is "jitsu" and that they are both forms of martial arts. Jiu [b']Jitsu is about close quarters combat, primarily grappling and submission, and was, for a long period of time deemed the most effective single fighting style. Ninjitsu DOES exist, as do ninjas. Whether they still wear all black, throwing shurikens and silently assassinating enemies is not known to me.
BJJ is WAY more into Grappling and Ground Fighting then Japanese jujutsu.
Hense why there is alot of cross training between the two.
Whether they still wear all black' date=' throwing shurikens and silently assassinating enemies is not known to me.[/quote']
All the more proof that they are!