How about we make 'em worth playing again? In 1.0, warmasters DOMINATED the pbase, and everybody feared them. There hasn't been a warmaster around anytime that I've played that was even remotely scary. I think that if they got some more cabal skills, or their elder/leader skills were bumped down to a lower level and replaced by different ones, or if they could be given a detect invis/sanc method (or be allowed to use them in pill/potion form while an inductee/member) would level the playing field a little more. I'd like to have a warmaster, but I don't want to be completely naked, wearing a "please, just a little deeper" sign on my backside for twenty plus hours at pinn.
Warmasters?
You're a bit misinformed about warmasters and should probably play one before we seriously consider all these sweeping changes that you want to make.
I played a few in early 1.0. Something obviously needs to be done to 'em. They've pretty much been a joke for quite some time. I mean, even people joked about killing L-A's WM leader over and over again, and he's generally no pushover.
Although not very recently, a little while ago there have been some strong WMs. Senrail and Rompkei, the two most recent WM leaders, as well as their recent Elders, from Rompkei's time up until when WM trailed off.
My bet is that the reason we aren't seeing any WMs is because of the current Savants set-up. It would take a lot of time/dedication and a skilled PKer to find their feet in WM at the minute.
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WM's are so much different from 1.0 that its barely the same cabal. Try one now, maybe they just need a strong player or two to get them going again. WM's always get a good crop with a couple of strong players but then when they decide to move on, everybody ups and quits.
Err. I played 2 in 2.0. I didn't play any in 1.0 - that was a typo.
I tried one around the time they got big, after Rompkei, into Senrail's lead.
I've seen the workings of the current WM cabal (designed some of it actually) and they are perfectly A-OK to romp with. They just need a few dedicated players to set up shop and start goin to town. Tough competition in there for them too (sounds alot like Tribunal).
There's always been up and downs for most cabals. There's always been posts like this one here saying something is wrong with the cabal. When it's going up again, there is undoubtedly another post about them being overpowerd. It's the same as with Tribunal, WM has the potential to rock hard, it just needs a couple 50s dedicated enough to get it started again and turn the tide.
Well if you don't mind rolling, training, pinning, cabaling, then try and stay alive while trying to get your standard to no avail against the savant leader, go for it! 
I remember when loriss, atilian, and senrail were all there and kicking a**, then loriss just decided to quit, atilian got bored, deleted and rolled a savant. And my warmaster wannabe got left by himself and pretty much is just sitting there minding himself. Frustrating, but that is how it is. shrugs
I think he does make a good point about inductee/member Warmasters being very screwed though. Half the reason I haven't made one is right there. Sure, deaths there don't count towards condeath, but it's still not really very fun to sit there with a huge disadvantage for 20 hours of play against a cabal that has some of the strongest characters around right now. Quite honestly, if I saw a change saying that inductees/members can use magic (hell, if anything, at least VIALS), I'd roll one up instantly. That 20 hours of play with such a huge disadvantage is a major turnoff to me though.
If there is a way for inductees/members to even up the field and I just don't know it, then the above is irrelevant and should be discarded.
The above is irrelevant and please disregard it. Changes have been made to the cabal people, try one and figure them out and then come back and tell us what you think.
Re Pali: There's been some changes. Roll and find out. 
Fair enough then. At least I provided for that contingency in my original post, right? ^_~ rolls WM wannabe
Hmmm...maybe...
I haven't seen Athara in a while, which might be the problem. But if you don't think there have been any good Warmasters, it's because you've been gone recently. The last couple elder/leaders were very good. Just look at their records. Rompkei, Senrail and Taeim all did very well.
The problem is rather a lack of pinned Battle members who are regularly around.
The problem is rather a lack of pinned Battle members who are regularly around.
And thats because of the extremely strong time elemental with unlimited cps that scares them off.
Not to mention most combos will be up against all of their banes, necros, shamans, clerics, **battlemages **etc -shiver- The cabal just requires above above average skill to do well in.
And thats because of the extremely strong time elemental with unlimited cps that scares them off.
There are just as many, or more, banes to Savant classes in Warmaster. You will likely hear both sides complain about the powers of their opposition. Both are plenty strong.
Anyone who claims Warmaster skills to be inadequate have obviously not been in combat with one at Trusted level. Its impressive in the least. The trouble is, as it is in many cabals...getting there. Yes, you will have to deal with already established characters in opposing cabals. There is light at the end of that tunnel.
I know many melee characters that fight Savant without any of the bonuses that a Warmaster enjoys and do well, or win. Meanwhile, what is it to say that a Warmaster, with very strong added abilities do not? Its not the cabal, its all about the player.
Anyone who claims Warmaster skills to be inadequate have obviously not been in combat with one at Trusted level. Its impressive in the least. The trouble is' date=' as it is in many cabals...getting there. Yes, you will have to deal with already established characters in opposing cabals. There is light at the end of that tunnel.[/quote']
Not true. I've fought and killed (this is bold but I'll say it anyway) every rank from leader on down to inductee. There's nothing too amazing about them. If they've been slightly ungimped recently, I may roll one up later.