Warmaster vs Savant, an Item Comparison.

@Kyzarius

If Savant is so bad, and WM so stronk,

then why all your WMs suck, and all your savants rock?

For someone with your record, I would expect you to claim that WM is weak tbh.

#justwondering

As I stated before, this has nothing to do with any one characters performance.  And is a simple item comparison.  You can compare Savant's items to every cabal and see they are lacking.  My own personal performance as a savant or as a WM is not relevant.  And really, I expect more from you Foxx.  Your comment is quite petty.

In your intruduction, you posted this:

On 6/26/2018 at 10:36 AM, Kyzarius said:

Having seen Savant for a long while now just completely shut down, I was considering adjustments that might be able to help alleviate some of the perceived balance issues without making major changes.

So your suggestion comes because the "current" performance of Savant is bad. How can this not be tied to any character? The performance of the Cabal after all depends on the performance of all characters in it. So what you are saying, goes against what you posted initually, and which you say is the reason for your "balance" suggestion.

So you basically defeated your own argument.

Currently, there are TWO problems in the WM - Savant relationship:

1. Mysterum needs a rework.

2. Evil/Good gladiators need a reliable form of "protection", so they don't get completely shafted in that subcabal and we start seeing some variety in it, other than neutrals.

So your logic is...since I am a perceived expert on casters and communers...then I shouldn't be allowed to make suggestions to improve them for the rest of the players?  

We get it, you are against anyone ever boosting mages.  So much so that you have to shout down every single attempt to offer suggestions by personally attacking the OP.  Thanks, you've had your say.  Now we will continue to discuss things on the discussion forum.

@KyzariusFound it a waste of energy. Just use the ignore button like I do.

FYI after hearing what some of the equipment does currently I would agree with you that they may need some revisiting. And this is coming from someone who dislikes mages. :)

22 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

So your logic is...since I am a perceived expert on casters and communers...then I shouldn't be allowed to make suggestions to improve them for the rest of the players?

Not at all. My logic is that you've proven time and time again, that you are a selfish player who tries to buff only the combos he plays while completely ignoring overall balance.

Just like the guy above me, who got DKNs a completely unnecessary and unfair buff to their casting abilities. But I guess I am against the DKN buff because I hate and don't play DKNs, right?

22 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

Thanks, you've had your say.  Now we will continue to discuss things on the discussion forum.  

So you like discussing ideas, but only of people agree with you?

yeah, im going to put you on ignore.  You are incapable of having a discussion without personally attacking people.  Don't bother addressing me anymore Foxx, I wont see it. 

for the record, my current isn't even a mage.  My last 3 characters had one who was in savant part of the time, but was in syndi for the vast majority of his life. the other two were Knights and Watchers.  Viruthx was a Savant like, 18 to 24 months ago i think it was.

22 hours ago, tassinvegeta said:

@KyzariusFound it a waste of energy. Just use the ignore button like I do.

 

FYI after hearing what some of the equipment does currently I would agree with you that they may need some revisiting. And this is coming from someone who dislikes mages. :)

Yeah, overall it is just lacking.  Where auto procs that heal serious maladies and pk oriented usable buffs are the name of the game in several other cabals, Savant was just left out to dry. And was even nerfed in some areas.  Frankly I would like to see all Cabal gear brought to the standard of Knight, Syndicate (for rogue / melees at least), and Warmaster.

@Kyzarius Well I think those WM changes were made to make things much more forgivable for Gladiators against mals. Those heals in each of these cabals really aren't that reliable though. Nevertheless theirs something cool about most of the other cabals items but not really seeing much of it in Savant or Watcher imo. Care to elaborate on your last statement about all cabal gear  being brought up to the standard of Knight/Syndicate?

I think he means in usefulness to the classes that populate those cabals.

A lot of savant eq feels pointless on most mages.

Warmaster eq buffs melees, Knight eq buffs goodies, Syndicate eq buffs roguish playstyle etc...

Ahh I get it now. Definitely makes sense. 👍

Chrono beam for all! /solved

Let's keep this thread on topic everyone.

If you disagree with something that has been posted, do so respectfully and without taking shots at individuals.

These threads are important and helpful to us as immortals because they alert us to concerns that people have with various issues in game.

Any further flaming or personal sniping (from either the pro-change or anti-change side) will result in forum bans.

Warmaster has stuff that changes the dynamic of how they can fight, a shaman has to fight a Warmaster in a very particular way for example due to the curatives available. 

I think this ideal should be what the aim is. You'd want the cabal items to provide the same type of benefits, things that no class that can join can do natively. A lot of the savant items give battlemage spells for example. 

You'd want some unique melee type bonuses in savant items, like how warmaster get mage like curatives. Perhaps a lite version of an adeptus mask or some consumable that would disintegrate all incoming dirt for x hours. Maybe a consumable or item that prevents or hinders murder rounds or grants dodge or blink at a 50% efficiency, these type of things.