I thought it was rather apt.
Why Not Prevent Equipment Loss From Crash...
Tesla had his Edison.
Edison won all the arguments.
Yet, here we are all walking around with a DC powered PDA in our pockets.
Just because you can no see the value of another persons Idea in the here and now, does not mean that the Idea will not one day have merit.
Just saying, open minds solve issues.
Please keep your public displays of affection in your pockets. I don't care how excited you get to see me.
13 minutes ago, Fool_Hardy said:
Tesla had his Edison.
Edison won all the arguments.
Yet, here we are all walking around with a DC powered PDA in our pockets.
Just because you can no see the value of another persons Idea in the here and now, does not mean that the Idea will not one day have merit.
Just saying, open minds solve issues.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. I mean, I get the end, but how you get there is a bit confusing. Are you stating that Edison was a proponent for AC, but we're using DC anyway? If so, you're backwards. Point is valid, but that's like turning left when it should have been right but still arriving at your destination.
Its not just your PDA.
Everything is going DC, its just a matter of time.
Without DC, computers would still be as large as a house. The little fan on the back??? Has a transformer that changes your AC to DC so the computer will work. Because AC (even if we build Integrated chips that worked with it) would shatter the solder joints over time.
Breakthroughs are coming to the DC world. Now that the world has realized that Edison and Tesla could both have been correct about some things.
One mans propaganda defamed another mand Idea and sent technology on a wild goose chase for over a century.
I am not claiming that our Coder and UC are Tesla and Edison.
I am just making the point that they could both have merit in the future and neither should be dismissed just because they disagree.
I think there's a distinct difference between dismissal and discussion. Dismissal would have been one word. "No."
Discussion is conversing about the merits, if they outweigh the risks, and if there are other options available (both currently and as counter-suggestions).
I was thinking more along the lines of UC dismissing her OWN input because it fails to find footing.
I agree with the post that says @Unknown Criminal gets a tad bent when their suggestions are met with "brick walls".
I also believe I have been inspired by many of their suggestions. Even though some of them are akin to "looking through a glass darkly". (meaning they call into account snippets that may or may not still exist)
I am not the only one they have inspired either. We can name our bags now, so even staff is listening to their suggestions.
I hope they keep them coming. I hope they roll something even more. Everyone knows the greatest risk to our world is lack of players, so alienating even one, is detrimental to our survival.
Change begins with you, will it be positive or negative, consider it before you post negatively. My 2 cents.
When you offer ideas, expect to argue stuff that you shouldn't need to argue. You often have to show you have legitimacy to even make the argument, much less debate the merits. It is annoying and frustrating, but welcome to dialogue.
Your main thrust might be absolutely correct (I actually agree with @Erelei on this one though), but correct and better are not always the same thing. Furthermore, it doesn't matter if you are right...all that matters is if people believe you are right. That can be much easier or more difficult than the actual point.
If you truly think this is a brick wall, you don't have much experience slamming into them. Even it were a wall, sometimes you just need to keep slamming until you break through, sometimes you need to stop and reevaluate. Refine it and bring it up again another time.
Make sure people see the need of what you are offering the solution to. If somebody lost their rares and your solution would have caught it, point it out (within reason).
Take it from someone who has put a lot of effort into advocating ideas with varying degrees of success on this same forum.
Personally, I don't see a ton of value in trying to catch rares being lost like this (I think you'd need a different method anyhow). The numbers are tiny and like @Anume has mentioned, there is a manual process in place. Manual processes are fine for insignificant numbers.
I'd rather the effort was put towards to making sure rares purge/recycle correctly which is a much more important issue.
3 hours ago, Fool_Hardy said:
Tesla had his Edison.
Edison won all the arguments.
Yet, here we are all walking around with a DC powered PDA in our pockets.
Just because you can no see the value of another persons Idea in the here and now, does not mean that the Idea will not one day have merit.
Just saying, open minds solve issues.
That made me had the HUUUUGEST facepalm in a very long time.
Dude.... really...
@f0xx Absolutely.
Believe in space travel? How do you ground power? You do not, its DC all day every day.
Lasers? DC all day every day. (we convert 480-600VAC to 1200-1500VDC increasing wattage from 300W to 3100W)
Computers? Which control 60% of everything already? DC brother.
Edison made electricity a house hold item. Tesla put it in your hands. Edison won every argument, he did. But History will honor Tesla too.
So yeah, really.
You have it backwards...
AC can be more easily regulated (transformers) so it makes it easier to get it to your house and power it. DC allows for smaller, more consistent voltage that doesn't change current direction, making it good for appliances and computers.
So Tesla brought it to your house, Edison brought it to your hand.
I was going to let this lie, but it's been gnawing at me.
On 1/3/2018 at 6:20 PM, Fool_Hardy said:
Without DC, computers would still be as large as a house. The little fan on the back??? Has a transformer that changes your AC to DC so the computer will work. Because AC (even if we build Integrated chips that worked with it) would shatter the solder joints over time.
I'm not sure where you're coming from with "Without DC, computers would still be as large as a house." That's not true at all, as most computers don't use AC outside the power supply, and I challenge you to find me one that primarily does (or did) for its general workings.
Now without transistors (furthermore, IC chips [which are nothing but many, many transistors packed together]), computers would still be as large as a house. That I can agree with. Also, transistors don't work well with AC. Nothing like turning a PNP into an NPN every half cycle. Well, I suppose you could using diodes, but then we're basically making a halfwave or such a convoluted circuit that it becomes impractical and using more real estate that could be used for more transistors. Little fuzzier here, but in general: no.
The little fan on the back of my PC is connected to my power supply. The transformers generally change the voltage from 120V to ... whatever you need it to be. Current gets changed, too, but that's a separate issue here. It's the rectifiers that convert the AC to DC. Half wave, full wave, bridge. Plenty to choose from.
AC won't shatter solder joints over time. Well, it can melt it, but so can DC as it's more the current you have to worry about. In fact, one paper on the subject says "Lifetime of a solder joint subjected to ac is longer compared with dc..."
It might have been a while since my job as an electronics tech in the Air Force, but I do remember that much.
1 hour ago, Lloth said:
You have it backwards...
AC can be more easily regulated (transformers) so it makes it easier to get it to your house and power it. DC allows for smaller, more consistent voltage that doesn't change current direction, making it good for appliances and computers.
So Tesla brought it to your house, Edison brought it to your hand.
DC is no longer low voltage lloth.
Magic computers used vacuum tube before DC was stabilized.
Like teaching children. This IS what I Do people. Not a hobby, a career spanning decades.
Those are some stronk drugs dude...
I misphrased it.
DC uses lower voltage electricity for computers to provide "sleep" functions. AC can't do this. At least, not without using far more space.
The point being that DC is used on smaller devices, AC is used to power structures.
AC = Tesla
DC = Edison
So Tesla brought it to your homes, Edison brought it to your hand.
How.... How does this thread go from a coding idea to AC/DC?
Someone’s legitimate tangent about how UCs ideas are just as good as anyone else’s. Not sure why people think I’m disregarding them because he suggests them - that’s not the case. I explained why, tried to reason with him as to why it wasn’t possible and I’m attacked as “a brick wall” who hates players.
Seems legit...
Vacuum tubes had a wide variety of functions from acting as diodes (the most basic of vacuum tubes) to functioning as rectifiers, though yes, quite a few used AC, if mainly on the heater side. And most of those were for radio, not computing.
To say we used them before DC was stabilized is ... strange. Not sure what you mean by that as I'd say we had both stabilized quite well by the time we invented semiconductors in the 1940's. After all, you were arguing for Edison, and he basically pioneered it in the late 1800s. Wouldn't pump it to people if it were unstable. Which according to some quick research states "At 3 p.m. on September 4, 1882, Edison's electric illuminating system went into operation. ... By October 1, 1882, ... Edison Electric boasted 59 customers. By December 1, it had 203, and a year later, 513."1
It was the semiconductor that allowed solid state devices to be smaller, use less power, etc, than vacuum tubes and largely replaced them. The effect wasn't immediate though we we used them well into the 70's. Into the 90's if we include another vacuum tube, the CRT, in our TV's.
I will concede that DC is no longer just for low(er) voltage(s) anymore, the HVDC lines across Europe simply refute anything said otherwise. But it's (currently) still cheaper for AC lines across shorter distances.
@Lloth You're right, but you're not, but you are. Mostly are. You can have low (or even negative) voltages in AC, hence the name. The problem comes from when your positive voltage drops too low (or goes negative), you'll reverse bias your circuit, just to state one problem. Which brings us back to space. Or restructuring computing entirely.
As for the power structures, it was easier to transmit tri-phase AC over distances (giving us three times the power on the same line) than running high voltage DC. That may be changing in the future, but it won't be immediate.
That's what I was trying to say. I'm not an electrician, and prefer to leave out jargon anyway, so please excuse the rambling. I do know the difference between the two though, and that's all I was trying to correct.
@Fool_Hardy