It would really enhance the RP and give you something other to do than:
-
Wait for Undead, Demon, Vampire etc.
-
Hunt untill 5 in the morning.
Cabal entrance lowered to 30 Again.
or at least 40. a third of the reason I went cabaled back in the day was just to get me to 50
I wasn't around back then, so perhaps someone could clue me in:
If I joined a Cabal, (assume I'm currently at thirty), and a pinn attacks our altar/guard, what would my duties be? Likewise, if I attacked their guard/altar outside of their PK range; might be a silly thing to do at lower levels, but imagine a pinned Slith Blademaster/Elf Paladin compared to a Human Cleric - that Human Cleric could be quite high in the forties without being in their opponents range. What would be the rules regarding what the pinn could do?
I personally (just my opinion) don't see how it would help any of the points mentioned. If you joined a Cabal at thirty, what else would it give you to do, other than hunting until five in the morning or wait for Undead/Vamp/Demon? Fighting other enemy Caballers of course, but PK under fifty can be quite unbalanced depending on the race/class combos involved.
And as a thirty currently, you can still have the RP mindset of a Caballer of your chosen Cabal. It would help in getting them involved in the big Cabal issues, but even then, to get truly involved it'd help to be at pinn.
The way I think it works best, is how it is now; the application rank prerequisite is fifty, but each Cabal's respective Immortal may make special exceptions, like we have seen recently with the new Nexus Cleric, and has happened before with select few Caballers.
Again, just my thoughts.
Dey
What's the point?
The classes aren't nearly as balanced at 30 as they are at 50, and sub-50 cabal members wouldn't (or shouldn't) be allowed to lead armies. People who go on PK sprees in the 30s already get noted to immortals. There are also a lot more 30-ish 'trash' PKers who never say a word and disappear after a few days than there are at 50, these probably being mostly new or old players trying out a class without feeling the need to build a character. Adding cabal warfare to 30+ would only make it that much more difficult to get to pinnacle, where the the real fun begins.
Back in 2.0, there were a lot more silent PKers running around full looting in the 30s. Basically once you got out of the teens you were in an environment very similar to 50, without the full benefit of your class skills.
And as a thirty currently' date=' you can still have the RP mindset of a Caballer of your chosen Cabal. It would help in getting them involved in the big Cabal issues, but even then, to get truly involved it'd help to be at pinn.[/quote']
Yes. Cabal RP isn't nearly as good without the weight of PK behind it.
The classes aren't nearly as balanced at 30 as they are at 50, and sub-50 cabal members wouldn't (or shouldn't) be allowed to lead armies. People who go on PK sprees in the 30s already get noted to immortals. There are also a lot more 30-ish 'trash' PKers who never say a word and disappear after a few days than there are at 50, these probably being mostly new or old players trying out a class without feeling the need to build a character. Adding cabal warfare to 30+ would only make it that much more difficult to get to pinnacle, where the the real fun begins.
Back in 2.0, there were a lot more silent PKers running around full looting in the 30s. Basically once you got out of the teens you were in an environment very similar to 50, without the full benefit of your class skills.
Forgot to add that too. I totally agree there; it would give more incentive to people who like to get pinned, get Caballed and such, to rank-sit. Take a rank thirty ninja (well-played ninjas at thirty are just beasts compared to other classes of that rank) who gets Caballed, geared up for that rank, and just frags other enemy Caballers or other people entering their range in general.
Dey
Alright, you do have points with everything you said, but say there is some sort of PK restriction. Perhaps it would be strictly RP, rather than PK. As you've seen, I hope, with a lot of characters PK isn't the entire point of RP. For example, Martineius was an excellent PK character, however, he did a lot for the RP experience.
I'm just saying it would be cool because a lot of people, that i know personally, hate hunting more than anything in the world, and i think it would just make things a little more RPbased rather thank PKbased like everyone is making it out to be.
I believe you are allowed to get into a cabal at level 30. I haven't seen any note that says you're not. However just about every immortal if not every one will NOT let you in if you aren't 50. There are very, very few exceptions though. That's part of being a cabal Immortal, you get to run your own cabal how you see fit, I would think. So you should be trying to convince the cabal immortals rather than making it some mud rule that 30's can get into cabals. Because I really don't think there is a rule against it.
And as far as strictly role play to get into a cabal, won't happen. PK is a part of every cabal with the exception of Herald. So if you want to try a herald with a strictly no PK then go for it. As all the quest race/classes go(not restring) you need to possess and show some type of PK skill I would think. I'm not saying NO RP, just saying no strictly RP.
I've both been caballed pre 50 and allowed people into Watcher pre 50. That being said I rarely do it now as the lower ranked char usually has a hell of a time pinning. Imagine you are hunting and 3+ enemy pinned chars log on and attack your cabal? Bye hunting, you gotta defend. Really no fun if you also have a rank disadvantage.
Back in 2.0 if you got caballed around 35/40 you had better rank like a maniac and be finished with your training already so you could play with the big boys.
All in all I do not think we do people much of a favor by allowing them to join pre 50.
And as far as strictly role play to get into a cabal' date=' won't happen.[/quote']
Really? That used to be the biggest part of getting in....
Don't underestimate the rp aspect, I've given E to someone with superb rp and only medium pk before. Both plays into it.
I've both been caballed pre 50 and allowed people into Watcher pre 50. That being said I rarely do it now as the lower ranked char usually has a hell of a time pinning. Imagine you are hunting and 3+ enemy pinned chars log on and attack your cabal? Bye hunting, you gotta defend. Really no fun if you also have a rank disadvantage.
Back in 2.0 if you got caballed around 35/40 you had better rank like a maniac and be finished with your training already so you could play with the big boys.
All in all I do not think we do people much of a favor by allowing them to join pre 50.
A certain cabal ability is a BIG help for pinning. You figure you go to Gear or Avalon, and whatever you don't get there, you can finish up in your cabal with your reward.
And if that's not vague, I don't know what is.
I've both been caballed pre 50 and allowed people into Watcher pre 50. That being said I rarely do it now as the lower ranked char usually has a hell of a time pinning. Imagine you are hunting and 3+ enemy pinned chars log on and attack your cabal? Bye hunting, you gotta defend. Really no fun if you also have a rank disadvantage.
Back in 2.0 if you got caballed around 35/40 you had better rank like a maniac and be finished with your training already so you could play with the big boys.
All in all I do not think we do people much of a favor by allowing them to join pre 50.
Heh, yeah you let Ehoannei join Watcher around.. 46 i believe it was.
I joined with Velyhn about the same rank too. I got E, and my overall PK record was about 6-10 kills.
You better believe I was biting my fists off incase an enemy logged on.
Dey
ahh! vel, Hm.. Haven't thought of that old wolf in a long time. Anyhow, I just thought of this on the other page remembering the good old days.
I joined with Velyhn about the same rank too. I got E, and my overall PK record was about 6-10 kills.
You better believe I was biting my fists off incase an enemy logged on.
Dey
Hm, Ehoannei never made big E, but then again.. I was really stupid with her..
A certain cabal ability is a BIG help for pinning. You figure you go to Gear or Avalon, and whatever you don't get there, you can finish up in your cabal with your reward.
And if that's not vague, I don't know what is.
True, however from my experience it is MUCH easier to just pinn and then get caballed. If you rp well, do your clanquests (lazy buggers.) and are not horrible at pk it should not take too long.
Agreed there, Eshaine. I might well be wrong, but I personally don't see any benefits to joining a Cabal early other than for special exceptions.
Dey
before I flap my gums anymore, what is the present system? do silly automated quests until you can apply and then get voted in by your "peers"?
also, what is the purpose of cabals? Clans?
The way people are inducted to Cabals, via clan quests (but not just clan quests...you aren't given the chance to apply after x amount of quests, but when the Imm wants to give you the chance), and a display of good RP/PK. Why would that system change if you were to be inducted at thirty? You would still have to do "silly automated clan quests" and whatnot. IMO, moreso, because you need to prove some serious worth to be let in early.
Cabals, as you know, have their own goals and RP behind them. All I'm saying is, like put earlier, a lot of Cabal RP needs PK weight behind it, and it's only natural that the PK weight comes from Pinns, as it's the highest rank one can achieve, and in FL, where the action is at.
Dey